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ok well a little about my self now . as i said i was gone for a long time . well im just my self people tend to not like that about me and often some people tend to get pissed at me for it . but any one who knows me knows and respects my stance on things as well as my point of veiw on life in general . i dont keep very many freind and those i do have i trust with my very life and count them as my real family . i am a swords man and i do train with real sords and how to actuly use them in a real situation . i dress the way i want to and i dont realy care what people think of me as long as they respect me for who i am , not how i look or dress or act.

let me make one thing extreamly clear to any who read this . I AM NOT AN EMO . first person to call me such will instantly be introduced to my egnore list . if you were to classifie me as any thing wich i hope you dont . then you could call me a rivet head , or dark wiccan /druid . im very proud of my heritage wich hails from scottland and i am a member of the clan MacNeil of barra .

 i am a bit of a history nut and have spent years laying down contacts and gathering information concerning a wide veriety of history ranging from but not limeted to , biblical and religous history , midevil and fudal war fare , and folk lore .

i am a pagen , as such i am not intrested in being preached to by any over zelous christans looking to convert me . dont get me wrong i have no isue with christans though i dont share there personal thought as to religion. i have freinds who are christans . but this is all i have to say . you want to preach to some one , do it in a church not this page and not at my front door . youl just get ignored or greeted with a me inviteing you to join my ritual sacraficeing of a chicken .

i do have a sence of humor though people tend to not understand it or think im sick or something.  i do have a girl freind and she is truely wonderful . though i am polyamorice and she knows this and respects it . if you dont know what that is (polyamory) then lets say this . im a swinger . how ever i love my girl freind and dont expect me to leave her for any one else.

currently im liveing in the ass hole of the universe and the home of zippo lighter, bradford pa . but that is soon to change cause im going to be moveing to florida . finaly getting rid of this cold ass wether and getting a nice warm beach !

lastly . i am a vampire , no two ways about it . i do drink human blood and i do enjoy it . if you want to know more then ask me and ill tell you . people tend to get freeked out about this , but i say why not shut up sit down and learn about it . then even though you might still not agree with it you can say you understand it . and for the love of the gods people !! i dont turn into a freeking bat or cloud of myst . nor do i burst into flames in the sun . granted the sun hurts my eyes , and yes a vampire dose have a few extra qualitys more than the standerd human . but im still a type of human ! just a little more preditory . ok i am babbleing here ill go now before i go on a total tirade .

ok i like bands like night wish, manowar , cradle of filth , and a bunch of others . i do like to read good adventure books and im a big movie critic .

Here we go!

“How can any thinking man be a Christian?”

The answer is usually by having faith in the word of God. The Bible and the stories contained within. However, Christianity in truth has little to do with faith and more to do with forced ideals based on a book full of incomplete history, mythology, and improvable claims. Christians tend to tell others to read the Bible with an open mind, but what they really mean is read it with a closed mind and accept it as the only religious truth.  Since they are so eager to blame any opposing view that disagrees with their own as satanic. When in fact, one first has to accept Christianity to even become satanic since the Christian religion invented the modern day interpretation of the “Devil” One who does not follow a Christian based religion does not believe in Satan’s existence, therefore can not be satanic.

So why attack Christianity? Why argue and debate its flaws, holes, contradictions, ECT?

Perhaps we should ask Christians why they violently enforced their religion to make it dominant and attempt to drive out and hide other religions and their origins, whilst trying to cover up Christianity’s own origin in the process. Now why would Christian followers try to cover up the very roots of Christianity?

Considering the fact that Christianity is a molded adaptation of Judaism which predated Christianity. While there are many similarities between the two there are also many differences. A few of the biggest key difference are the emphasis on the center of worship, the books of the Bible that are considered and followed, and forcing of the religions themselves. The Jewish religion does not claim that it is the only path to Heaven, while the Christian religion does. Christian’s state that those who do not follow Christianity will be damned to Hell (yes the same Hell they invented). Christians aptly try to preach their word and convert others to their religion, while Jews do not, in fact in some cases a man will be turned away from Judaism three times before he is accepted. Christianity places a higher emphasis on the worship of God as man, in the case of Christianity that would be the savior, Jesus Christ. While Judaism places its utmost importance on the worship of God alone, and not Jesus. Also Torah (The Old Testament) is the only part of worshiped scriptures in the Jewish religion. The books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, to be exact. While Christianity adapts the books of The New Testament as well. These are just a few of the key differences between the two, but show some of the ways in which Christianity used Judaism as a foundation and then molded and created its own ideals from there.

Now Judaism is not the only religion in which Christianity has taken some of its roots from. Another would be Paganism. A religion that predates almost every religion and was once practiced by almost everyone on Earth. This is also the religion that Christianity tried the hardest to destroy and erase the very existence of. Some of the ways this was attempted was by claiming practitioners of magic, and who worshipped a God and or Goddess different from that of the Christian God, were claimed to be Satanist and put to death by execution.

Christians tried to cover up the existence of Paganism by making all its practices, beliefs, and teachings “occult”, which means hidden. The key word here is “tried” because 2,000 years of censorship by Christians could not conceal the beliefs of Pagan religions, and they also failed in concealing their own religion’s sneaky roots. It must also be known that almost every Christian holiday is adapted from that of a Pagan holiday. Despite the historical time line throughout the Bible, Christians decided to change certain dates to amend these Pagan holidays as their own. Those holidays are as follows:  Christmas (Yule), Easter (Ostara), and Pentecost (Lugnasað). However Christians object to Halloween because of its Pagan origin as Samhain. Now how can they object to one holiday because of Pagan origin but not the others when they too are of the same origin? Answer is quite simple. The celebration of Samhain is a festival of sorts with a feast to celebrate those who have died. Maybe a bit too ominous for Christians or perhaps it caused errors in their well crafted fabrication of lies. But in rejecting one and not the others does that not create hypocrisy? Further more the only reason the others were co-opted and molded into Christian holidays was to conceal their true origins. Why not conceal the origin of  Samhain too? In ways they did, as it is easily and often known to many young children in Christian families as a day that Satanist worship Satan. When in fact that isn’t even true in its own right, as Satanist worship Satan’s day of birth as Christians worship the day of Jesus’ birth. Only difference is Christians worship Christ’s birth on the wrong day. Silly isn’t it?

Now this can go into several debates from here on. One could debate Judaism vs. Christianity, or Paganism vs. Christianity. And in all fairness neither side can prove one religion to be fact over the other, however my argument isn’t over which religion is right or wrong, but rather that Christianity shouldn’t even be an option for religion to anyone who allows themselves to think on their own. Christianity is founded in the adaptation of other religions, rather than being its own unique religion it is built on the foundation of other religions yet flashes the disclaimer that those religions are wrong and that only the Christian religion is right. Over time this idiotic principle has led to more wars than any other religion to date. Left more innocent people dead than any other force or disaster, aside from the Asteroid theory and maybe a few plagues. And it is still being seen today. Muslims, which share many Christian traits in their belief system, are still creating acts of violence in the name of their God. As did the Christian religion throughout Europe and North America only a few hundred years ago. This was a span of violence that started over 2,000 years ago. The only thing that has placed a restriction on that in modern times is the freedom of religion, and the penalty of “true” moral laws, unlike the moral laws found in the Bible which anyone with a shred of common sense and a little morality of their own can easily see is complete garbage, and not only is a good portion of those teachings and laws immoral as can be, but if still allowed today the world would be a sicker and more disturbing place to live than it could ever think of being now.

Now while Christians keep preaching their word today, the freedom for one to think and decide for them selves without fear of being put to death with the false label of “Satanist” placed upon them, are able to find their own path. This places a damaging aspect on Christianity whether Christian followers want to admit it or not. Something can only remain dominant for so long, and now that people can view Christianity for what it really is without the fear that was once instilled, it is easier to see the flaws and complete lack of support for the principles upheld in the Bible. Of course Christians will always be able to tell you that you will burn in Hell if you don’t believe. Well I believe, just not in that garbage, and anyone who knows the history, has read the whole book, and is capable of forming an intelligent thought can clearly see that Christianity is not worth supporting.

Now a few biblical contradictions found in the bible and then some quotes about Christianity to wrap things up.

Is Jesus lesser than, or equal to the Father?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Number of beast in the Ark?

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,.

GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

Insects have six legs not four.

LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

The Earth is not flat; therefore you can not see all of it from any point on the planet.

MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them

Earth does not have a foundation.

JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Jesus’ last words were?

Matt.27:46,50: 'And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?' that is to say, 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?' ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.'

Luke23:46: 'And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, 'Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:' and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.'

John19:30: 'When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, 'It is finished:' and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.'

Can God be seen or not?

God CAN be seen:
'And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.' (Ex. 33:23)
'And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.' (Ex. 33:11)
'For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.' (Gen. 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
'No man hath seen God at any time.' (John 1:18)
'And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live.' (Ex. 33:20)
'Whom no man hath seen nor can see.' (1 Tim. 6:16)

That’s enough of those for now, believe me when I say there is a huge list of these. And regardless of how small or trivial any contradiction may be, it is still a contradiction which still shows a flaw in what was written. If this God was to be so wise and powerful, how would his own words be so misunderstood? But again we are supposed to have faith that this book magically makes sense right?

On to the quotes then a brief wrap up about the translations of the bible.

Q. Why did God invent Mormons?
A. So Christians would know how Jews feel.

'He who begins by loving Christianity better than Truth will proceed by loving his own sect or church better than Christianity, and end by loving himself better than all.' - Samuel Taylor Coleridge

'Why do born-again people so often make you wish they'd never been born the first time?' - Katherine Whitehorn

“I could never be a Satanist because I could never follow a belief system with its roots in the Bible.” - Joe Christ

'If you take the Christian bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our bible IS the wind and the rain.'
- Herbalist Carol McGrath as told to her by a Native-American woman

“Since logic, reason, and historical precision play no part in Christianity, unfortunately, these disciplines are useless in discussions with Christians.” – Unknown

'Organized Christianity has probably done more to retard the ideals that were its founder's than any other agency in the world.' - Richard Le Gallienne

“A man’s faith should not have to be defended, for if it is his faith and his belief, then it can not be lost. The only time faith needs defending is when that man begins to lose his faith and must defend it to preserve his own belief in it.” - Unknown

'Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty.' - Frank Herbert

Now for the translation of the bible. The current version of the Bible we read today has many reworded parts to change or alter what was said to avoid some contradictions or to make certain things seem less intense than they actually were. The Jewish religion makes it a practice to learn Hebrew, as the original Bible they have passed down through history was translated into Hebrew, thus it is the only remaining, unaltered, and uncensored version of the Bible left. But there again you get only the Old Testament. As for the original translation of the Bible, it no longer exists as it was written in a language that has since been forgotten and lost. And the Bible has undergone quite the number of translations throughout its history. Now you have to think to yourself, why follow and believe what is written in something that has obviously lost a great portion of its original intent over time? You know when one person passes a rumor to another the more people it goes through the less it is like the original rumor and evolves into something somewhat or in some cases completely different.

An example of an altered translation found in the newer versions of the Bible is as follows:

Isa 45:7 KJV: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

In newer versions “evil” is changed to “woe” or “calamity”, while the original Hebrew translation used the word “Ra” which directly translates into “evil”.

Either way whatever your view on the Bible it does in fact make for endless discussions and debates on religion. In the end most will keep on believing what they want to believe. In some cases people will stop and re-examine what they thought they knew. Either way no one is going to burn in Hell for sharing an opinion, fact, or view on the topic here. The fact will always remain that Christianity is an adapted, molded, and evolved religion that does not have its own foundation to stand on, but rather the foundation of the religions it tried to destroy. Nothing can change that history, that fact.

In conclusion I would like to state that I do not type cast all Christians as murders or immoral people. This information is based entirely on the history of Christianity as a whole. Although it is beyond me why it is still supported, knowing of such a history and the very roots of Christianity itself.

Hosea 13:4 '...thou shalt know no God but me; for there is no Savior besides me.'

So much for Jesus.

i am sitting here in front of my computer typeing this out of the blue , as i sit here im listening to the crickets in glamdrings cage chirping ,its an oddly relaxing sound that brings me back to a time when i was but a small child on my grand parents ranch. i remember sitting outside one night with my aunt kathy . she is deffinatly a card and if there was any other member of my family that would be called a black sheep it would be her.

we were out there listen to the crickets that night they were very loud indeed that night . she was young back then younger than i am now . i cant remember us ever saying much that evning but i remember her telling me that if i found times going hard to remember the sound of the crickets that night and bring myself to that peacefull place in texas .

i had all but forgoten that night untill now heering the crickets in the cage with my spider .things seem to have been rough for me alot in resent years though i have always found a way through . i often wonder , what dose it take to make a person a real hero ? dose it take superpowers? or a gun ? do you need to have some kind of cape and a cowl along with high tech gadgets? do you need a licence to kill? or is all it takes to be the worlds greatest hero , is a clear night on a ranch with some crickets chirping .

ive never realy thought about it untill now but it was in that time in thoughs moments when i desided who i was going to be . i didnt have a solid knowlage of what i was destind to become , but i knew how i wanted to live my life and how i was going to handle the world . its funny because as we grow up we sometime remember the smallest moments from our childhood . we never realy could understand much from that time frame but now that we are adults we do understand more of what thoughs moments ment to us and how small inconsevable things like a cricket chirping in the night could meen so much to us now .

i wonder have i played the role of the hero to any children in my adult life ? will i ever know it if i have ?i cant answer theese questons but perhaps ill find out one day if i have ever helped a child find them selves ...one day. 

Monday, May 22, 2006
the drama over religions facts and myths

ok here we go with what is bound to be the first of many tangents of mine . as you will know by reading my first post im a wiccan and a student of history . both of wich im no amiture at . i converted to wicca when i was about fifteen and have been so ever since with no regrets about my personal choice of religion . i was raised southern baptist in a "good " up standing christan family . my mother was a baptist as well and wile my father was more of a scientific minded man he to beleved in the christan god . now with my religous history out of the way lets move on . one thing that tends to irk me the most is the aperint on going if not revived conflict between christendom and pagenism. though this conflict is no longer a bloody feud as it once was , it has been revived in a bold new way that could very possbly turn to violence at any time given enough provication. to this small matter i will say this . to any christian who is of the mind that us pagens need to be wiped out , i will gently warn you that we are not as we once were in the fact of being as isolated small groups or individual persons . nor are we meek and going to stand by and let you do harm to us physicly or politicly or even spirituly . we survived the burning times by hideing in your very midst and now we are protected by the government. a government that has granted us the right to defend our selves in any way that we see fit . and we have been prepareing our selve for just such an eventuality by lerning many technics of combat . liek our diffrent forms of pagenism is vast and individulize to suit our personal selves so to are our fighting methods . you have been warned .

now with this out of the way let us talk as civilized people . i have on many ocation been aproched by some silly people who have tryed to preach the word of god to me . i ask you all this simple question . have you ever actuly sat down and taken the time to reserch the historical aspecs of the bible and its origins . i think not . because if you had you would know that the events spoken of in the bible didnt all realy hapen as they were writen about . pluss you would know that the bible befor it was translated into english had to go through three other languages before it could be translated . some of thees languages had words that the english language has no way to describe and vice vercia . in order to read the true meaning of the bible you would need to speak and read fluently the language it was origionly writen in , wich is a dead language no one knows it any more and so it needs to go through the other ones to be desiferd .

also the ledgends told in the bible are highly contradictory to one another . take the ten commandments . handed to moses by the christian god "jehova" thees comandments sound great and are in my opinion a wonderful set of guide lines . guide lines of wich your own god has broken him self some of wich on more than one ocation . latter in the tail of moses and his followers they after leaveing moses be hind at his own request . came apon a city who worshiped a pagen goddess of fertilaty . and god him self tells them to take it for them selves and that he would fight with them to ensure a victory . this resulted in acording to your bible the complete destruction of the people of this city . though i have found a ledgend in my own familys heritage wich might spred further light apon what realy happend . but ill tell that in full at another time when an entire post can be devoted to it .

how can people follow a god who so promtly would tell his followers to comit mass murder ?! dont bother trying to argue this point by saying that god can do what he wants if that was the case and he was all powerful he would have found a peacefull solution to the problem and built for his followers a city of there own with out blood shed .and what about the great flood . what a horrible way to die , and if noah and his family were good who is to say that there wasnt other people who also wernt good people . but acording to the bible noahs family was the only ones who were warnd and servived along with alot of animals . now i know it says that noah tryed to warn evry one about the imanent danger and offerd to them safe passage on the ark . but if god could warn one man why couldnt he just have come down to the world as a whole and been like . "hey look im here stop screwing around and fucking up what i gave you. other whys your going to be sorry for fucking with me ." but no he didnt if he did anything it was to warn the few people who were probably fanatics to him and then went a head and commited an act of mass genocide . one of wich if it actuly happend the world over would have totaly wiped out the entire planet and killed the human race entierly .becouse if you think about it if we all came from noahs family . it would have been through inbreeding . and eventuly we would all have been sterile and mutated and eventuly dead meat for the birds if any had lived through the flood.

and scientists have found gamoria and sodom . at the bottom of the dead sea . along with the famous salt pillars one of wich saposedly is to hold the remanes of a woman who looked back when she was told not to . i saty this the investigations are on going and underwater equipment and sounding equipment are being used on the entire regions of the now located citys and they havent found a single salt piller yet with a body in it . now you will argue that it dosnt say that she was ecased in a salt piller but turned into one . fact is that dont matter they are also doing D.N.A tests for human rminants on thees pillers of salt wich are highly prevalint in the region if a person was encased or transformed into any one of thees pillers there will still be evidence traped in the stone . to prove my point . a deep sea oil drilling team found dinosaur DNA in a rock bed in the south pacific no more than a year or to ago. soil anilists found the DNA preseved in a salt bed located less than three feet into the drilling hole. that ould meen that water had been atacking it for 65 million years and they still found it . do you think that human DNA would after only sevril thousand year a substantaly lesser time be destroid ? i think not . also the scientist have found what had destriod the area all thoughs centurys ago . metiorites have been located in the ruins of the citys . the largest about the size of a basket ball . now my dad loved astoligy and i learnd a few things from him as he was also into quantom phisics . if some thing is set into motion from space at a high velosity . it wont loose that vilocity untill it strikes some thing . now a meteor coming into our atmosphear will normaly burn up but if its bigger than a certan size it will servive and in truth its velocity will encreace due to gravity . and if a metior say the size of a golf ball were to hit the earth from space it would make a crator about fifty feet in diamiter and could consevably if it was solid enough and moveing fast enough ,punch a good mile into the crust of the earth . now emagine a shower of thees hitting a anceint city that you were living in . and that you didnt know any thing about astronamy . what would you think was happening . i bet you i know .you be thinking that the gods were offended and they were now exacting revenge. now through in a pare of guys who claim to be angels . and you got a great story . here is a little trick thees angels in the tail of sodom and gamoria , struck a mob of men blind with a wave ove a hand. now this i can explain thanks to the fact that i am a martal artist . in the martal arts we have to learn how the human body works .as well as how the human brain works . an age old ninja trick that has also been used the world over is the use of reflected light from a conseild mirror to distract , blind or comunicate with companions over long distances . now lolth and his daughters were behind thees men when they struk the mob blind . wtih the a wave of there hands they did it if im correct . im betting that thees men were tricksters that new alittle about astrolage and sevril other things and new that a metior shower was going to happen and used this to do just spred fear to there own meens . the mob was blinded but not permanently . the flash of reflected sun light would not have burnd there eyes permanently but have cause a nasty little bout of sun flash and briliant spots to happen . you now the kind im talking about. like when you look at a bright light then look away you see spots .

i resently put this theory to the test to see if it would work . my freind couldnt see any thing for the rest of the day . the mirror i used was simply a round mirror small enough to fit into the palm of my hand . now i knew it worked on a single individual with a single wave ove my are on a bright sunny day . like how it would be in a dessert climate . but what about a croud of people ? well i then went to the local collage and asked a bunch of students to help me out in my theory . one arm with a mirror will not blind a large group at all. but two hands can cover a small croud , though not evry one . i then called in another person to stand in for the second "angel" as there wer two who struck the mob blind . and with my new partner and me combind . those poor collage kids went blind for most of the rest of the day . with two of us we had about 85% of the croud blinded. i had a group of about thrity collage students asisting me and playing as the mob. that left only abot eight students with there sight intact . this is a nasty but highly efective defencive trick that has been employed by fudal ninja in japan and has also been used world wide in many diffrent ways.

the bible has many tails of magical events such as the parting of the red sea to the smaller trick of turning a staff into a cobra , to the blinding of a mob . the last i have already proven could be done by mortal men . but what about the staff transformation ? well this is a simple trick still practiced today by snake handlers . the "staff" is not realy a staff at all and there is no tranformation from staff to snake to staff again . it is al ways a cobra from start to finish. the snake handler who is experianced in hadling the deadly animal , will simple pick up the cobra and pat it on the head a few times and basicly lull it into a relaxed forom . them they will straiten the snake out and for som weird resone the serpent will stay in that position untill it is set back on the ground were it will then suddenly spring back into its tipical self and scare the living hadies out of the ignorint on lookers. when it is straited out the cobra stays perfectly still and can be used as a walking staff . and it is a very convincing staff if no one takes a closer look at it .

now this is some thing that not even i can explain away as a trick . the great parting of the red sea. i could be a dick and sit here and say that this event is a complete work of fiction and no one could blame me for doing that . but im not going to do that instead im going to use this as a moment to clarifie something . as i have sai before i am a wiccan . i beleave very firmly in the magickal arts (yes that is magic spelled with a "k" on perpose. more on this latter) now evry one is familar with spells we have all herd of them and wiccans do them. but what is a spell realy ? well all a spell realy is , is a very elabrate prayer desined to gather the full focus of the caster and rais up there personal energies and ask of our gods for a certain thing to be done . now a person who has a mind that is deeply in focus dose not need to do an elabrate ritual to aclomplish a feat so maraculas that it is note worthy . moses and his followers were being chaised by the egyption army and a pharo bent on wipeing them out if that isnt something that can grat focus to a person i dont know what is . moses asked of jehova to to guide them to safty and then the sea parted for him . this is true high magick at work . it dosnt mater what god granted the power this is magick on a biblical perportion . there is no other way to explain it . i ask you this though . if a man in our day and time did this same thing what would you do to him . if it was during the burning times he would have been tried as a witch! i say this . do not think that we are bad becouse we do magick . your bible is full of tails like this . would you call noah a heritic for being granted the forsight of a catestrafy and trying to warn evry one ? i think not . but yet you do it to others who do the same thing in our time . why? i ask you this is it the fact that that person has done something not in the name of god ? but yet they are trying to do an act of good .

this world is comprized of many diffrent religions and faths. the very foundation of humanity is religion . it dosnt matter if your a christian or a wiccan or a satainist or even a hindu or a native american shamen . we all live in the same world and we all , evry last one of us have good people and our bad people in our beleifs . many religions are contradictory because there members dont try to understand them and simply follow blindly what there faith tells them . this is unfortunatly a magor case in christandom in all its pathions from catholic to methidist to baptist and the rest . i say this to you . the next time you try to convert some one out on the street or go nocking door to door , ask your self this what do i realy know about what im preaching to thees people ? can i back it up with hard factual evidance ? how many languages did my bible go through before it was done in english ? was it translated by a person who understood how to translate it or by some one who claimed it was through god? this last state ment brings me to my final argument . the book of mormon . this book was suposedly translated by a woman i beleive through the power of god . no one who is a mormon can back this up . nor will they . the book was said to be translated from wgyption heroglifics wich is not a dead language and it is said to have only been done once . i would personaly like to know were the origonal egyption text is and have it profesionaly translated by some one who can read egyption. this isnt asking alot i dont think and it would ether validate the claim of it being translated through god or it would prove that it was writan by a person seeking fame and power. i dont say this to debunk this book but i say this because im a person who want it to have the backing of a profesional this would only benifit mormonism or totaly destroy it . and if it is a false book then why not destroy something that isnt factual . ill tell you why because they have the right to beleve in what this book says . in this book it suposedly tells though about when christ died that the native americans saw him and was aproched by his spirit . i did a little diging and contacted sevril shamens around america and all of them say that its a farce.not only that but many of them couldent stop laughing at the notion . i was told that they had ledgends about ansesters of theres aproching there respective tribes and that some times great warnings were given to them . but never did jesus christ aproche them . many flat out called the book of mormon a fake and a lie made by hipocrits. i wouldnt go this far personaly but i would say i want this book put to the test with its suposed origonal script . of wich no one seems to know were it came fom besides egypt.

ok well i have babled on long enough . thank you all for reading this and please consider what i have said here.

by . R. Luke MacNeil the 3rd